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For Low light/ night shots


Lynn-Rhodes | Asked  over a year ago | Last response was 10 months ago

I have a Nikon D300 with a 18-200 mm lens.  I use my camera primarily for (outdoor) vacation/travel shots (1,000 shots a week when on vacation) which I usually then take a month or 2 to crop/photoshop/enlarge some shots to 8x12 & make travel albums.  Yes, I am retired & have a lot of extra time.  

My challenge:  In the evening (while traveling) I won't take the camera to  restaurants & other night time events as it is so big & looks so touristy (which I don't really mind during the day). However  I do miss a lot of photo pops & would like a smaller camera that I can put into a large purse.  I've narrowed the selection down to the Canon G1X & the Nikon P7100 as they both have optical view finders (great as a "in case of disaster backup" to the D300) important to me for very sunny outdoor shots which for me are difficult to view with just a screen.

I am very willing to pay extra for better quality night photos, but I ask all of you experts out there:  Is the quality of the G1X photos "significantly better enough for night shots" to pay $415 extra over the P7100?  (G1X goes for $799 while the P7100 is $384).  I am going to Paris in Sept & really want to take some outstanding night shots. 

Which camera do you recommend for Lynn-Rhodes?

Nikon P7100 - $299
10 MP|7.1x f/2.8|1/1.8" CCD|3" LCD
Canon G1X - $649
14.2 MP|4x f/2.8|Four Thirds CMOS|3" LCD
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  1. Intermediate III
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    over a year ago WaterlooAlex recommends the Canon PowerShot G1X

    Hi Lynn, the G1X definitely has better image quality in low light than the P7100 due to its larger sensor,  it has excellent image quality up to 2 f-stops higher than the P7100 according to DXOMark benchmarks.

    The other suggestions to look at the Sony NEX line is a great idea, they're perhaps halfway between the G1x and a DSLR, since they have APS-C sensors, and interchangeable lenses, but are much smaller.

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    over a year ago John-Kim recommends the Canon PowerShot G1X

    I am a Nikon DSLR user like you and I also have P7100 but between the two, I'd have to go with Canon Powershot G1X.  Although P7100 is a fine camera in its own right, I find them to be tad slow in overall response time when compared to even lesser P&S cameras.

    P7100 has excellent IQ and plethora of advanced settings and has larger sensor among P&S cameras (1/1.6 versus 1/2.3) but Canon has even bigger sensor than P7100; in fact, it has the biggest sensor among all P&S cameras currently in the market (unless you consider Fujifilm X100 a glorified P&S). Why does this matter? Beacuse camera's low light capability is strongly related to sensor size, among other things.   Your emphasis was on low light capability and portability.  Now, both P7100 and G1X are rather hefty as P&S cameras go, although they are smaller than D300 and should fit ok in a large purse.

     

    Here are links to relevant reviews from DPreview.com:

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong1x... 

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonG12...

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikonp71...

     

    For about same money or less, why not consider Nikon D3100 with 35mm f/1.8G AF-S DX lens (about $200) for about $600. D3100 has much smaller footprint than D300 and is almost as capable as D300 and overall has much better low light capability than either P7100 or G1X, especially paired with 35mm f.18 lens.  And it will be compatible with all your D300 gear.  If you already have 35mm prime lens, then just a body can be had on Nikon site or B&H/Adorama for around $400.   Then there is D3200, which is an update of D3100, but can't just get the body now ...

     

     

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    over a year ago Kyle-Beckham recommends neither camera

    Sony NEX C3 is a great camera with a small body and interchangeable lenses. It's one of the best mirrorless systems available.

    http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=E2SNNEXC3AB

    Is the system I just purchased, for 748.00, free shipping and no taxes. It takes phenomenal pictures and you can put it in your pocket.

    The NEX C3 will do everything that those other cameras do and give you the flexibility of interchangeable lenses.

    1. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      I hadn't even considered anything but Canon or Nikon but will look in to the Sony NEX C3 based on your recommendation. Thank you for your input!
    2. Beginner I
      over a year ago Caleb-Bare
      I used to own a Canon G9 (older model in the same line of cameras) and it was a great little camera that took pretty good pictures. Unfortunately the camera died and I bought the sony nex 3. I have to say that the nex three is by far superb and the iso performance is excellent (even compared to entrey level dslrs). However, there are a few important differences: the Canon G series cameras have excellent macro, wide angle, and zoom without having to change the lense. The Sony nex cames with interchangeable lenses, so if you plan on taking macro, telephoto, wide angle, and night shots, you'll probably need to be getting another lense. Also, I've noticed that the pictures I've taken with the Canon G9 are simply better when it comes to color and balance (Although this can be corrected in photoshop or using the custom settings in the camera. Overall, the only thing I liked about the Canon G series cameras better than the Sony nex was the macro ability, smaller size, and great colors. Other than that, the Sony nex is an awesome camera with plenty of great features that I love and in my opinion, a great user interface. If you don't care about the size too much and don't care about the macro shots, I'd recomend one of the sony nex cameras with the 14-55 lens kit.
    3. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      You've given me a lot to consider. I forgot about all of the equivalent lenses. I have to remember my primary reason for buying (before getting too confused). It is to take great night shots. My main camera is the Nikon D300 which I will use during day light hours. My secondary reason for buying a second camera is for backup in case of an accident with/or loss of the D300. So, with night use as my primary purpose, excellent low light capability is of the top importance. So with that in mind, I probably won't need a macro & the 14-55 lens kit would probably suffice...but I do hate to give up the versatility of the G1X's equivalent 28-112 mm lens. Let me ask you this... Is it even possible to answer this Question?: At night - without a tripod - but using higher ISO), am I likely to want to use (& be able to get decent shots) with the G1X's additional zoom capability (55-112mm) over the Sony? I'm also concerned about Luminous-landscaptes.com's review of the G1X: "Probably the less said about the G1X's viewfinder, the better. It is simply a joke in the context of 2012 cameras. It's a simple optical tunnel viewfinder of small size and with no information (as well as having much of the image blocked by the lens). I suppose that it's better than nothing, but not by much." then he continues: "I did not do much low light shooting with the G1X. It just isn't a camera that I find suitable for this use. The lens is far too slow, except at its widest, and working in low light conditions with a bright LCD is counter productive to be unobtrusive. I would much prefer an EVF for this, and the camera's tiny optical window just isn't up to the task, especially in poor light."
    4. Intermediate III
      over a year ago John-Kim
      D3100/D3200 make perfect back up to D300. Small and LIGHT enough to carry in a purse ...
    5. Beginner I
      over a year ago Caleb-Bare
      I could take excellent night photos with my G9 (wich has a much smaller sensor than the new G1x), but only with long exposures, so I would have to have it on a tripod or stabilizing it against another object. I've never used the G1x, but since the sensor is a bit smaller than a micro 4/3 sensor, the shots should be good, but not anywhere near as good as the sony nex. Also keep in mind that during night, if you take a picture while zoomed in, the aperature will be even smaller at f/5.8 instead of f/2.8, so you will be getting even less light (same goes for the nex). I'm not sure, but it look like the G1x doesn't have a bulb setting, so it's slowest shutter speed it 1/60 whereas you can buy a remote shutter for the nex5n and keep the shutter open for a much longer time in the bulb mode. Because the nex has interchangeable lenses, you could also buy an old cheap manual lense, such as an Olympus OM or Canon FD. If in good condition, these lenses can achieve great quality photos and at night, using an olympus OM f/1.8 lense (with an adapter) will let in even more light. They're fun to use if you don't mind using manual focus (and the nex's zoom assist mode makes maual focusing much quicker and more precise). Hope this helps some.
    6. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      Great idea - Thank you
    7. Beginner II
      11 months ago Michel-Schreuder
      agree, d3200 so much sharper images.
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    over a year ago Neil-Quigley recommends neither camera

    Agree with the Sony recommendation, if you want something that is great in low light you just cant beat a bigger sensor.  I'd go NEX-5N and the Sigma 19/30mm f/2.8 lens rather than C3 though.

    1. Beginner I
      over a year ago Erik-Olaerts
      I do agree! The SONY NEX-5N is supurb in high ISO !! Never seen such good results @ high ISO...
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    a year ago Chaotic-Light recommends neither camera

    The internet has made the decision making process much more difficult than it used to be.  I shot primarily with my dSLR and carry an S95 in my pocket.  There is only one way to know for sure.  You will have to go to a store and see if you are comfortable carrying the camera of choice.  If you feel that these are still too big then it won't matter how good it is in low light if it is back at the hotel with your D300.  I was looking at the LX-5, but I was willing to give up a little quality and versatility for portability.  Very glad I made that choice.  True, it is not the best in low light, but I can take it with me everywhere.  I often get asked which camera is the best and my answer is always the same.  There is no best of anything.  There is always a compromise (speed vs zoom, versatility vs portability, better body vs more accessories).  Seems like you are leaning toward the Sony.  I belive you will be happy with it :)  

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonynexc3

    Some shots with my S95.  There are a few taken at night.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/31657193@N04/sets/72157627112031677/with/6756384787/

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    over a year ago Erik-Olaerts recommends neither camera

    Do compare also the SONY NEX 5N,

    The high ISO -images are supurb!! Really !
    ISO 3200 - 6400 - even higher without the dangerous noise...
    The combination of a large sensor & the BIONX processor!
    It's my most favourite camera for Concertphotography!

    erik O,

    http://erik0.wordpress.com

    1. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      I did check out Snapsort.com & Bob is correct quoting the site as saying the S100 is the best rated low light small camera....but when I go to preview.com, there is a page (when I googled Canon G1X) where you can chose any camera (or several sid-by-side) & compare results for a given shot at 1600 ISO, 3200 IS0, 6400 ISO, etc. & (I can't believe it) but the G1X looks better than my Nikon 300 D SLR! Of course that is not the only parameter to huge a camera...So now I have ruled OUT the P7100 & will compare the SONY NEX 5N (per Erik & Neil) and the SONY NEX C3 (per Neil & Alex)...I'm getting a little overwhelmed!!!!
    2. Beginner I
      over a year ago Vlad-Cupsa
      If we are going for small cameras with interchangeable lenses you should also take a look at Nikon's J1 and V1. It depends how much you want to spend on the system.
    3. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      Thanks Vlad. I'll look at that one too.
    4. Intermediate III
      over a year ago John-Kim
      I take with a grain of salt what Snapsort says. They only compare specs without really testing anyting. That's why give much more credence to what DPreview has to say on all matters regarding photo equipment.
    5. Expert III
      over a year ago Philip-Davis
      But also note that Snapsort incoporates DxOMark scores which are VERY thoroughly tested.
    6. Intermediate III
      over a year ago John-Kim
      DxO only looks at sensors and lenses and not the camera as a whole; quality of the sensor is only one of the factors, albeit an important factor, in determining the overall quality of the camera. Sometimes they emphasize things that are really not very relevant to overall IQ but gets factored in skewing the overall grade of one camera over another.
    7. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      I went to your web site - Your pictures are amazing. I'd like to ask you same the questions I just posed to Alex....that is, If you don't use a flash at night, what is the slowest shutter speed you can use without blurring the picture. Apparently the NEX 5N does not have a stabilization feature but I goes the 14-55 mm lens kit does have it???? So, to avoid using a flash (especially if your subject is too far away, the flash won't reach), can you keep cranking up the ISO? so Erik, could I set the camera to autofocus, check out the shutter speed setting on the screen & keep increasing the ISO until the shutter speed is fast enough to not register hand held shake?....or do you always use a tripod at night no matter what?
    8. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      Hi Erik, my response to you (& questions) shows up way below on this page. Your pictures are very impressive!
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    over a year ago William-Pead recommends neither camera

    I'd buy a refurbished Nikon Coolpix P7000, with pretty much the same specs as the P7100 for $240 from Cameta,Camera and save $559 over the G1X.
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    over a year ago Vlad-Cupsa recommends the Nikon Coolpix P7100

    As far as I know, Nikon is better at high-ISO than Canon.

    I have a Nikon myselft and I've tried different cameras also. It seemed to me that Nikon has better high ISO performance than Canon.

    Just check the reviews for high ISO shots :)

    1. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      I am going to do that now. Thanks for your input.
    2. Intermediate III
      over a year ago WaterlooAlex
      Hi Vlad, the G1X has a MUCH bigger sensor, and scores much better on the DXOMark low light tests.
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    over a year ago Bob-Mulholland recommends neither camera

    The Canon PowerShot S100 is much better for low light with high ISO and boosted ISO and it's thinner, lighter, and cheaper. I have a Canon PowerShot ELPH 300 HS that I love!
    1. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      Bob, Are you saying the Canon PowerShot S100 is better than the G1 X or the Nikon P7100....or both?
    2. Beginner I
      over a year ago Bob-Mulholland
      Better than both. It's the highest-rated point-and-shoot on SnapSort.com. And, when you check off all the low-light features it remains at #1 with or without Magic. It also supports RAW, which is great for HDR.
    3. Intermediate III
      over a year ago WaterlooAlex
      The S100 is highly rated, but the G1X has a much larger sensor, scores better on low light ISO tests, and shoots raw too.
    4. Beginner I
      over a year ago Bob-Mulholland
      Not to mention the G1X is more than double the price of the S100 and twice as heavy. The G1X is more expensive than the Nikon D5100. The point, I thought, was portability with good low-light capability.
    5. Intermediate III
      over a year ago WaterlooAlex
      I hear you, the S100 is the best small camera out there!
    6. Beginner I
      over a year ago Bob-Mulholland
      With all that said if someone is heading to Paris you should be renting a Nikon D800 and living it up! A camera designed for a large purse is not what Paris is about. :-)
    7. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      You all are wonderful with your well-thought out experienced comments. Of course I have every intention of taking my Nikon D300, but want the BEST low light camera - hidden in the purse - for the evenings. I will live it up & have a drink toasting all of you!
    8. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      Bob, You read me loud & clear. Portability & excellent low light capability are my highest priorities (and you are absolutely right, the G1X is twice the cost & is heavier)....But after all, It is PARIS! If I am going to pay that kind of price, I should look into these Sonys & compare low light capability, size weight & cost. This is quite a research project. I appreciate everybody's expertise & am keeping an open mind. Back to the web sites!!!
    9. Beginner I
      over a year ago Vlad-Cupsa
      Do you really think it's a wise decision to use HDR at night?
    10. Beginner I
      over a year ago Bob-Mulholland
      Oh, sure. HDR was meant for a tripod and since you're in Aperture Priority the shutter will open longer to get the proper exposure. ISO is usually set to 100 - 200 so no noise. I take lots of HDR before sunrise. The neon lights of urban areas are perfect at night for HDR.
    11. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      That's sounds awesome!
    12. Beginner I
      over a year ago Bob-Mulholland
      Check out www.stuckincustoms.com for an HDR tutorial. Plus, www.joby.com if you want a small tripod. You'll need a wall or some structure to hang it from. Some places don't let you setup a full tripod. That being said I'm heading to Bermuda on my fifth cruise there on May 20 and will be bringing EVERYTHING including a rented travel lens (Tamron 18-270mm) for walking around. Woohoo!
    13. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      I'll check out the site - Thank you. Have a great time in Bermuda!!
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  10. Beginner II
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    over a year ago Bang-Nguyen-Khanh recommends the Canon PowerShot G1X

    I would choose Powershot, because technically, it has sensor cmos, good for low light. and it can reduce noise at high iso (644)

    1. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      Thats what I've read.....but do you think its worth the extra money? $799 vs $384 - I am willing to pay for quality - if its significantly better.
    2. Beginner II
      over a year ago Bang-Nguyen-Khanh
      well... I just google around to find a good one. so far I found that Sony NEX-5N is the best. It has a large sensor. With its high reduction noise (nearly as good as my DSRL Nikkon D5100), you can take photo at a bit high speed (1/50 or 1/60s) for shapness of moving objects (like people). One more thing is, it takes kinda long to start up (2 sec), so you may miss some good scenes.
    3. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      Thanks so much for your research. I will definitely check it out. Please please keep me posted on anything else you may find thats small with excellent low light capabilities. Its after midnight here. Must get beauty rest :-)
    4. Intermediate III
      over a year ago WaterlooAlex
      The NEX cameras have a great feature called twilight mode, where they take say 6 photos in rapid succession at 6400 ISO and then combine them together to get a single low-noise good quality image!
    5. Beginner II
      over a year ago Bang-Nguyen-Khanh
      It seems, the Sony NEX series is very good at low light situation. http://snapsort.com/recommend#!low-light=low-noise&type=mirrorless,digicam. Watch out the price, nex 5N is kinda expensive, you can buy NEX C3 instead. Certainly, C3 has some small disadvantages, but it costs twice less than 5N.
    6. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      Hopefully, this is not too stupid of a question. I rarely carry around a tripod, though I do have a small one. Going through the NEX specs, I saw the camera does not have a a stabilzation/anti-shake feature....but the lens itself does? I am confused about that as well.....My real question is.....at what point will I need to use a tripod? If I set the ISO up to 1600 (or more), how will I know if it is necessary. I think I remember there is some a rule of thumb that if the shutter speed is slower than "?", you need to use a tripod (without using a flash). Do you know what that number is....& can I just keep dialing up the ISO until the shutter speed gets fast enough? Also I am not used to using a screen as I've always had a viewfinder. Reviewers say the G1X's viewfinder is pitiful (especially useless in low light conditions) so I'd have to use the screen with either the Sony NEX 5N or the Canon G1X. Apparently, you can buy a excellent quality viewfinder for the 5N, but it attaches in the same spot as the flash - so since I'd be primarily using it at night, the flash seems too be more important. What are your thoughts....Thanks for your time!
    7. Intermediate III
      over a year ago WaterlooAlex
      Rule of thumb is that a shutter speed of 1/focal-length is needed to avoid hand-shake! e.g. 1/200s shutter speeded needed if you are shooting at 200mm.
    8. Beginner II
      over a year ago Bang-Nguyen-Khanh
      I think the len has antishake (someone on amazon said that) With tripod, you can take foto, like night landscape or light painting, at low speed = more light = low iso = less noise. (http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1858/dsc00624e.jpg - with tripod ISO 100 f/4.5 0.8s) )Without tripod, to avoid handshake, rule of thumb and another way to know is test at difference speed, make sure your arm and hand steady. About the flash, it only works for close object. For compact camera, around 3-5m is fine, but further than that, you need to put it higher iso, not always good.
    9. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      Awesome picture! Is that in Lucerne? Were you using the 5N or C3?
    10. Beginner I
      over a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      What about the zoom lens 18mm - 200 mm. Would you just use the higher number making it 1/200? So WaterlooAlex, does racketing up the ISO enable you to use a faster shutter speed....& does changing the ISO by one notch change the corresponding shutter speed you can use by one notch/stop? Can you keep doing this until your shutter speed is not slower than (in our example) 1/200? recognizing the higher ISOs can degrade quality
    11. Beginner II
      over a year ago Bang-Nguyen-Khanh
      Yes, it is. But I used Sony DSC-HX100v (super zoom type, it isn't much better than 5N or C3, compared on snapsort, it has smaller sensor than these 2). I just want to show, with a tripod you can take landscape foto at slow speed, low iso. Taking people in low light is totally different, you may need flash
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    10 months ago Harri-Heikkil recommends the Canon PowerShot G1X

    Hope I'm not late with this answer...

    I recommend considering also Sony's RX100. It is half the size of G1X but image quality almost as good. G1X is slightly better in low-light but the RX100 is shirt-pocketable with much better macro capability. If low-light image quality matters more than size, choose the G1X.

    1. Beginner I
      10 months ago Lynn-Rhodes
      Never too late Harri-Heikkil - still haven't bought a second camera - I was hoping to find a great low light camera WITH a viewfinder. I haven't physically looked at the G1X yet its reviews for low light capability are pretty good though I understand its viewfinder is not optimal .....but maybe better than nothing.
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    a year ago Ben-Marshall recommends neither camera

    I would also recommend the Sony NEX 3 or NEX 5... both are Excellent in low Light, and with the 16mm pancake lens, are not larger than a Cheapo point and shoot... meaning you would look hip, not touristy.

    The 16mm lens also works extremely well at Capturing Scenery, and because of its large Aperture of 1.8, can really make great use of available light.

    1. Beginner I
      a year ago Lynn-Rhodes
      Sounds like that is what I will go with. Thank you so much for your input.
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  13. Beginner II
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    11 months ago Michel-Schreuder recommends the Nikon Coolpix P7100

    sharper, more bokey and detail

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    11 months ago Michel-Schreuder recommends the Canon PowerShot G1X

    g1x, twice the price, but much more warmth in evening low light pictures

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